{"id":855,"date":"2014-02-25T11:05:35","date_gmt":"2014-02-25T11:05:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lawschoollies.com\/?p=855"},"modified":"2019-01-30T08:56:13","modified_gmt":"2019-01-30T08:56:13","slug":"interview-15","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lawschoollies.com\/?p=855","title":{"rendered":"Interview #15"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Sometimes I think I have bad luck. Othertimes, I know it. The only other possibility is that I severely pissed off a very vengeful deity somewhere (always possible).<\/p>\n<p>This one started out so well. I applied to a position with a medium sized firm that was split in to 2 or 3 practice groups who were relatively segregated from each other. From the description I got, it was as if this one firm was composed of a few smaller firms who really had very little idea as to what the others groups did. I was interviewing for what turned out to be an IP license \/ transactional associate. It seemed right up my alley.<\/p>\n<p>I was located in another city from the firm, so the first interview I had was with a partner over Skype (maybe.. they self-identified as head of the practice group and led me to believe they were a partner, but maybe not). Anyway, the interview was a little stilted mainly because they started off as every other interview you&#8217;ve ever had asking the generic questions &#8220;Tell me about yourself&#8221; etc. But, fairly quickly they got bored with this and actually tossed the paper they were reading these questions from on their desk. Now it got a bit more interesting. They said they would rather know how I problem solved an actual case, so they picked up a file and told me they had just gotten this case this week and wanted to know where I would start researching and what my thoughts were, as they had not yet had the ability to start working on it yet. The main problem was, with A\/C privilege the description of events was hovering right around the ridiculously generic, and each time I would start trying to form some sort of plan of attack, it would turn out the facts were not what I had thought because I wasn&#8217;t being told the whole story.<\/p>\n<p>The interview ended and I sat sorta staring at my computer and turning over both the interview and the case. It hadn&#8217;t gone horribly well, but it hadn&#8217;t been really bad either. Just very stilted as I would propose one thing and they would say &#8220;weeellll&#8230; we can&#8217;t because of this (which I didn&#8217;t tell you).&#8221; The longer I stared at my computer the more dissatisfied I became with how I had answered the questions. After mulling it over for a half-hour, I realized exactly what the contours must be of the case they had been skirting around the whole interview. It had dealt with open source &#8216;viral&#8217; licensing and integration into larger database software. But most of the IP was a red-herring, and the case was actually a contract issue. The whole thing crystallized in my mind and I started furiously writing out an email to the attorney. In a rather long email I explained what I thought their case was about and how it was actually a contract issue and not a copyright issue as they had framed it to me.<\/p>\n<p>I heard nothing back for 3 days and I pretty much assumed I must have blown it, either with the not so great interview or maybe I had made some assumption of the case and ended up way off base. On the third day, I get back an email saying, &#8220;Based on this email, you&#8217;ve got yourself a second interview.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The second interview was with 2 other members of the practice group. I found out that apparently I had hit a bullseye in my analysis of the case and I had made some friends by doing so. This interview was purely a social one. Almost no law was spoken about, and it was more to see how I interacted with the other people I might be working with. I was absolutely sure I had this job nailed down.<\/p>\n<p>A month went by. I didn&#8217;t think too much of it. The holidays were in the middle, lots of stuff gets put on hold while people are on vacation. I get that. But still, just to follow up I sent an email to try to make sure I was kept in mind. The response was that I was still being considered, but basically this stuff moved slowly so be patient.<\/p>\n<p>Another month goes by. Now I&#8217;ve sorta given up most hope of this turning into a position. But, since I haven&#8217;t heard anything definitively negative either, I drop another email. I get back a one line message from the partner. &#8220;Call me&#8221;. Intriguing.<\/p>\n<p>So, the short version of the phone call goes like this. (I am paraphrasing and adding expletives where needed.):<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I quit the firm. Those fuckers were cheating me out of my money. But I took my secretary with me and I am opening my own damned firm. We wont have an office till next month-ish, and I&#8217;m sorta short on cash at the moment. We should talk about you working for me, but you have to know I&#8217;m operating on a shoestring so you&#8217;ll have to expect to be paid in accordance with working for a broke solo attorney. I&#8217;m sure business will pick up in no time, once we actually open. Oh yeah, and I can&#8217;t afford to ask you to work for me until you get this other certification, so let me know when you have that nailed down. I can use someone like you to back me up.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It also came out that they weren&#8217;t a partner. I&#8217;m still not sure where in the PLLC they fell, but it was apparently much lower than I was led to believe. I&#8217;m also not sure if anyone else there has seen my resume. Just for fun I dropped the firm a note asking if they were still interested in hiring me considering&#8230; everything&#8230; Honestly, I did it just to see what their response will be.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Update<\/span><\/strong>: So the firm got back to me. They said that the member I had talked to &#8220;mislead&#8221; me and that their departure was unexpected but not unwelcome, and more things kept coming to light after they left. The real partners told me they weren&#8217;t looking to hire me but really wanted to talk to me in person. (I am still unsure why considering they specifically said they don&#8217;t want to hire me). It also seems odd that they feel I was misled considering I had talked to 3 attorneys there and there were several mentions of conversations relating to hiring with the partners, and oh yeah&#8230; the whole job posting. But I digress. Short version is, they weren&#8217;t looking anymore.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sometimes I think I have bad luck. Othertimes, I know it. The only other possibility is that I severely pissed off a very vengeful deity somewhere (always possible). This one started out so well. 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